Are most chipmakers falling behind apple? And why

di_lorenzo · 2022-10-04T11:16:03+00:00

Source Recently I watched thi video that confirmed most of my thoughts on what’s going on with new SoC mainly in the android world In synthesis until now...

TechnTyre

We are at the point where more efficient architecture of the chipset is not truely possible. Eg beyond 3nm construction you have physical phenomena hindering further development of our texh industry.

It will become a huge bottleneck in the upcoming years

di_lorenzo

TechnTyre I agree, but I’m sure manufacturers will find other solution to crank up performance per watt, such as more and faster cache

Matthias

di_lorenzo I can’t disagree on that

Heyo

di_lorenzo Wow this is a great explainer and you clearly know quite a lot about SoCs and computing so I’ll definitely be asking you any of my questions about this lol.

I do think that others are falling behind Apple and I think a lot of that has to do with the TSMC vs. Samsung situation you mentioned, but also because Apple has full control over the hardware and software. They can design them in tandem with each other and I think that’s a big part of it. They can tune their software and hardware however they want.

Even Google with their own Tensor chips couldn’t get it as powerful as Apple or Qualcomm (although they might not have been intentionally trying to build a more powerful chip which is another discussion in itself).

Anyway, that’s my very limited observation lol.

di_lorenzo

Heyo Oh thank you,

Anyway I agree on the apple optimization being better because of fewer devices and a close ecosystem, and Google performance wise is technically the worst manufacturer, and even considering the fact that they use kind of old architecture (cortex a76 also clocked low) and that they rely on samsung for manufacturing, they’re new to the game and their new chip (tensor g2) seems no better

Google knows this and they rely more on other parts of the SoC, mainly the AI cores, which they use to implement probably the best and useful features, ranging from photography to translation and speech features

SprintingWorm

I think you are absolutely right. But I think there are still something to add.

Imagine how apple by themselves have a whole ecosystem, so every developer has to follow their rules, and all their devices, software and hardware can receive better optimization on performance and other stuff. They understand how to customize devices’ chip, ram or other stuff with better support to the software, while Qualcomm don’t make customized chipsets for only certain devices.

Even they can customize for their own device, like Samsung and Google, they are still facing the problem from the nature of Android. Android is an open source platform, which means when you develop something, you must consider all devices out their in the market. So it is harder for optimizations, while it is much easier on apple devices.

That’s a very personal opinion after working a few years in the tech industry. It may not be 100% right, but I hope it can help.

di_lorenzo

SprintingWorm I agree with all you said, but I’m still convinced that there’s also an hardware superiority of Apple right now, because if you look also at macOS vs Windows or chromeos, you can emulate both the last two on macOS with an M1 chip and still crush benchmarks with better scores than everything Qualcomm has to offer and even freshly realesed pc chips like the 8cx gen 3.

And now there’s the M2.

I genuinely hope for some improvements, and Qualcomm coming back to tsmc brought a good chip so we have to see this next year

Heyo

di_lorenzo That is a really good point about the Mac chips. They quite literally blow everyone else away in terms of performance and battery life, like it’s not even close lol.

I don’t have an M-based Mac yet but I’m hoping to get one soon mainly for the performance and endurance gains. The most incredible part of it is that they were able to get massive performance and endurance gains at the same time. Normally you can get one or the other but not both lol

SprintingWorm

Heyo Trust me, M1 Mac air is the best laptop I have ever used. It’s light and super good

Heyo

SprintingWorm Ugh. Now I want one even more lol!

SprintingWorm

Heyo it suits me so well, I do copywriting and video & photo post-. It is both good for caring around anywhere so I can type anywhere and good at fast editing for my projects on DaVinci Resolve with no lags or anything. The battery is also good.

Not to say I love Keynote so much compare to powerpoint, I even use it to make animation 🤣

It also has airdrop and iCloud, so I can good synergy with my colleagues and save local storage.

Heyo

SprintingWorm Oh yeah all my friends who have one just rave about it lol. Maybe we could do some for the Tryout Program lol??